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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:00 PM
So everything I think of tends to be in something of a programmer-y form
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:01 PM
Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:01 PM
Which leads to my first theory: life itself is emergent behavior within the system of the universe
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21 at present
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:01 PM
Ha ha… I'm so young. 13, but might as well be a professor at Harvard, some say.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:02 PM
Theory 2: What is commonly called "magic" (along with our much-loved "science") are also emergent behavior patterns that continue because they make things easier for the people who use them (edited)
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:02 PM
Just a little question; Ever play Mage: The Ascension?
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:02 PM
The not-so-hard-to-anticipate implication of this is that humans aren't the only ones who could use magic
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I have not
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:03 PM
Mage is actually kinda useful for understanding the world. (Its a table top RPG)
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:03 PM
My internal abstraction of the universe seems to be fairly inclusive based on my own information
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:03 PM
We have infinite potential, but we're locked with doubt, and in some cases(Like mine), religion.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:04 PM
So... if magic is real, what does that mean religion is?
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I'm curious to see your answer
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:04 PM
Power bestowed apond us all.
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…?
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:04 PM
Hmm...
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A bit simpler than I expected
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:05 PM
What?
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:05 PM
The answer
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It's fine though, I did kinda ask out of the blue
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:06 PM
Y'know? Things would be a lot simpler if people like you took things a little more lightly...
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:06 PM
Do you know anything about Shintoism?
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:06 PM
Nope!
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Oh wait... Yeah
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Just remember last years history class heh
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:07 PM
If I take things too lightly, then I would be risking my own wellbeing, as well as that of the people around me
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Do you know about the meaning of faith within Shintoism?
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:07 PM
Ah, not quite too lightly. Just light enough to see things clearly.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:07 PM
My view is fairly clear
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:07 PM
Yet closed
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:08 PM
That is typically the point of abstraction, after all
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:08 PM
Claim all you want that many parapsychological things are fake, but doubt is closing off possibility. We can turn the fake into real.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:09 PM
Doubt is not closing off possibility
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:09 PM
Yes, it is.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:09 PM
Or at least it isn't if you're doing it properly
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:09 PM
Tulpamancy, Psionics, Chaos Magick, all taught me to let go of doubt and go with the flow.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:09 PM
Not trusting everything you're told isn't being closedminded
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:09 PM
You're twisting my words.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:10 PM
...I'm responding to what I'm seeing in your writing
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:10 PM
In a twisted manner.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:10 PM
Simply going with the flow comes with a major vulnerability
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:11 PM
Going with the flow that you control
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-ish
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:11 PM
Okay, that I can accept
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Going with the flow when it's not a problem, and then taking control when it becomes one?
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:11 PM
'Nother question: Have you got a Tulpa yourself?
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Kinda
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:11 PM
I have something resembling one
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Technically two, but they don't seem to meet the normal "tulpa" descriptions
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:12 PM
What is your ULTIMATE goal?
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:12 PM
If I can manage it, to become an existence-class being
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:12 PM
Soulbonds? Thoughtforms?
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:12 PM
The level where you can create universes on a whim
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:13 PM
So... God-like...?
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:13 PM
That level might not actually be achievable, but I'm still gonna try for it
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I guess
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I tend to associate "god" with "high-level mortal" myself though, so I don't use that word
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:13 PM
A little philosophey I have: You higher your goal, the quicker you can learn the small stuff.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:13 PM
Well, yes
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:13 PM
philosophy*
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:13 PM
But do you have any idea how much small stuff there is?
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:14 PM
Much
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:14 PM
Indeed
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If my theories about material plane manipulation turn out to be somewhere near accurate, I should have a road towards at least spatial magic
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:14 PM
Don't sweat the small stuff. When life swats you on your butt, laugh it off and try again.
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One tiny yet major flaw
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:15 PM
Well, when the small stuff is the foundation of your techniques...
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You should probably pay attention when working it into your muscle memory
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:15 PM
Is it "Magic"(Stage magic, slight of hand tricks), or "Magick"(Altering reality)
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?
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:15 PM
The latter
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:15 PM
Put the K in
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it makes a difference
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:15 PM
I mean, I personally call it arcana
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It's just words
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:16 PM
Well, yeah.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:16 PM
Words are inefficient most of the time anyways
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:16 PM
Same with the incantations of old; They were merely just words, not actually nescicary.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:17 PM
That's why I prefer to use symbols
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:17 PM
wtf auto correct is crap
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Ah, what is the true line between symbols and writing?
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:17 PM
I mean, writing tends to just be a large set of symbols
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:17 PM
Symbols are just another form of writing, after all.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:17 PM
But I'm referring to abstract symbols
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Kinda like words, they tend to come with emotional associations that vary from person to person
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And in the case of geometric symbols, it can be surprising to outsiders the reactions that the symbols can evoke
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:19 PM
Memories, stories, all such affect the meaning of symbols apon people.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:19 PM
But if you're careful, you can create your own symbols
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And even control how people respond to them
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Which is a very nifty trick for illusionists
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:20 PM
Belief creates change, some may say.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:20 PM
It's kinda scary how easy it is to manipulate unwitting humans
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But if you're willing to use that knowledge, some pretty crazy stuff can be achieved
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:20 PM
Shields.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:20 PM
Shields?
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:21 PM
Psionics, Magick, other things, it's all a bunch of techniques under no real term.
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Those techniques are all the same. Least that's what I believe.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 10/6/2018 10:21 PM
Manipulation techniques are usually more subtle than a simple shield or sigil can stop
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Iquise 10/6/2018 10:21 PM
Psionic shields, dumbass
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